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have lost the speakership. whether mitch mcconnell and more adult members of the members the of the senator can put pressure on the house. if they can't change these fundamental dynamics we're headed in the same direction. >> i think mitch mcconnell is the problem because he's headed for re-election. but i think one of the interesting things that boehner said, is this your moment now, mr. president, now leave. that's both the reality and a little bit of trying to pass the buck. but it's the truth. it is going to be up to the president to go into the negotiations and to lead, and continue to listen and find areas where compromise can be built. it is on his shoulders. >> he has to lead publicly as well. >> yes. >> to sell it? >> he has to sell it. you know, there are a couple -- there aren't a lot of republicans i think that play in regards to public pressure, but there are a few. and the president's going to have to work hard, find points of pressure on those people. >> and willing to absorb some blows. >> remember when he ran against hillary clinton and beat her. hillary

or belief that the other side, that would be mitch mcconnell, the senate republican leader, or john boehner, the speaker, are up to a big deal? >> i don't know if he has confidence in boehner and mitch mcconnell but he certainly has confidence at this point in the idea that the american people, the majority of the american people, back the whole idea of tax increases on the wealthy. the white house said pre-election polling and postelection exit polls show that more americans -- chris: how do you put together -- everybody watching has an opinion on that. the very wealthy should pay their share at least and not avoid it. but they also seem to applaud every time either candidate on either said said we got to work together. >> the white house dream would be to see boehner peel away some republicans and work with the democrats in the house on the deal. that's what they want. chris: will paul ryan join john boehner, the speaker, in trying to work out a deal? or he will be a rejectionist and set up the big rebel flag and say i'm going to be the die-hard? >> no one knows the answer to that questio

the sound bites we just say, the video we saw was mitch mcconnell, the republican leader of the senate. he's up in 2014. he's got rand paul, a tea party guy, as his other republican senator in the state. mcconnell's worried about a challenge from the right to the point where he hired rand paul's campaign manager who was ron paul's campaign manager to be his mcconnell campaign manager coming up. so mitch mcconnell is the missing piece of the puzzle here. he's the person the president has had the least success in dealing with. they have no personal relationship whatwhatsoever, th president and john boehner played golf once or twice. boehner as a person is of a more amenable guy. the white house wants a deal, and the reason they want a deal is because of the economy. if we get tangled up here in d.c. and go over the cliff or down the gradual slope, it's not -- it's not going to be good for the economy. there are people waiting to invest. there's a world watching. everybody agrees that if a deal can be cut, economies around the world, not just in america, are going to benefit. >> yeah. i think

to avoid the nasty showdowns that mark so much of the last two years. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell was the number one obstructionist in the president's first term. now he tells "the wall street journal" he'll do whatever it takes to get a deal. i'd be willing to pay the ransom if e we thought we were going to get the hostage out. but the hostage is what? entitlement spending. mcconnell's intention, he's willing to agree to a dollar of new taxes for every dollar in cuts. what a difference an election makes. >> i'm going to ask a question on the stage. they seau had a real spending cuts deal, 10 to 1. spending cuts to tax increases. speaker, you're already shaking your head. but who on this stage would walk away from that deal? would you raise your hand about not raising taxes. you'd walk away on the 10-1 deal? [ applause ] >> all right. just to bring everybody up to speed, remember in 2011, republicans would not take a 10 to 1 tax cut deal. now today mitch mcconnell is willing to do a 1 to 1 deal. republicans lost all of their leverage in this election. they made a big gamble and ca

with the great. but there's another factor to keep in mind for 2014 are among those who are up in 2014, mitch mcconnell, john cornyn, lindsey graham, saxby chambliss. now, if you're mitch mcconnell and we've been sitting there for years ago we would have had unanimity that niche was keening of the republican party in kentucky. and that was not even a contest for who was the utterly acknowledged leader. and we get to the 2010 elections and he put every resource he could to every attempt, every string he could pull to keep rand paul from winning the republican nomination. and failed mr. luther if your looking at this from mcconnell's perspective, knowing that several other republicans who ran for the senate this time would not promise going in that they would support mitch mcconnell, and you know that you have the potential for a primary challenge at portage and no longer controlled, your willingness to compromise on some of these critical issues may be itself compromised. if you're john cornyn, you would've stayed out of the race for the republican nomination for the senate this time around, but you sat

. -- fort worth, texas. caller: president obama needs to draw a line in the sign and tell mitch mcconnell and john boehner -- they do not respect him. they do not respect him as a man. do not just give away anything. i used to pick cotton. he had to do with the man said. that is what the republican party wants obama to do. he can do anything, but he has to talk with the republican party first. host: matthew from louisiana, a republican caller. caller: good morning. i voted for mitt romney. the first time i ever voted for liberty, freedom, and the rights of our constitution. i have one thing from abraham lincoln i would like to read real quick. you cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. you cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. you could not help the poor man by destroying the rich. it cannot come into the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. you could not encourage by taking away initiative and independence. you could not help small men by tearing down big men. you cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. you cannot keep out of troub

will be greater but there's another factor to keep in mind for 2014. among those who are up to 2014, mitch mcconnell, john cornyn, lindsey graham, saxby chambliss. if you are mitch mcconnell and we have been sitting here four years ago we would have had unanimity that mitch was king of the republican party in kentucky and there was not even a -- for the utterly acknowledged leader and then we get to the 2010 elections and he put every resource he could and every attempt, it every string he could pull to keep rand paul from winning the republican nomination and failed miserably. if you are looking at this from mcconnell's perspective knowing that several of the republicans who ran for the senate this time would not promise going in that they would support mitch mcconnell, and you know that you have the potential for a primary challenge and a party you no longer control, your willingness to compromise on some of these critical issues may be itself compromise. if you are john cornyn you would have stayed out of the race in the republican nomination for the senate this time around but you sat back and w

done, much more so than mitch mcconnell, if he can get a deal done in the first six months, he's got health reform and putting the nation's fiscal house in order for the next three, four, five generations as the signature achievement already of his second term, that puts you in the league of some of the most successful presidents in our history. those are huge, big-time -- those are big-time accomplishments. >> he's got the opportunity. >> yes, that's what i'm saying. the door is open for him. >> he is going to have to strike some deals. >> he is. >> and he's going to have to make some grand alliances. >> i don't know anyone who knows speaker boehner who doesn't say a couple of things about him. one, pretty good guy. >> handsome. handsome. >> two, can cut a deal. knows how to cut a deal. and three, from that clip, joe, a guy who knows that he is one of the point people in leading a renewal of the republican party. he's got to cut a deal. he's got to cut a deal. >> but he doesn't have to cut a deal. that's the point and that's what the president and that's what the white house needs t

? the signs aren't clear. mitch mcconnell seemed to be saying no on tuesday, john boehner seemed to be saying possibly. so the issue is are they willing to move to the center on key issues? >> the books are being written but the chapters have yet to be lived out in a second obama term. ron suskin wrote in an op-ed for "the new york times" about whether obama can give the confidence americans need right now, focusing on legacy, which he goes on to say is the end game of the president and is often missing what's happened before his eyes. the great mishap of the first term is failing to direct. with a new president, a sky high approval rating, a sea of enthusiasts. with hindsight 2020, how will obama be different with legacy now in front of his mind? >> i actually think, in terms of legacy, he's going to have the legacy of bringing health care reform, which presidents have tried for a very long time, to fruition here in america, and he made a choice in doing that, and it probably was a choice that cost him some political capital because it came at the expense of some other things he might have d

, except to mitch mcconnell. >> excuse me, you, mr. hoyer, mr. clyburn, you're all over 70. is it going to prohibit younger leadership from moving forward. >> so you're suggesting that everybody step aside? >> i'm simply saying, does this -- >> i think that what you will see, and let's, for a moment, honor it as a legitimate question. although it's quite offensive. but you don't realize that, i guess. the fact is, the fact is, is that everything that i have done in my almost decade of leadership is to elect younger and newer people to the congress. in my own personal experience, it was very important for me to elect young women. i came to congress when my youngest child, alexandra, was a senior in high school, practically on her way to college. i knew that my male colleagues had come when they were 30. they had a jump on me, because they didn't have to -- i did what i wanted to do. i was blessed to have that opportunity, to sequentially raise my family and then come to congress. but i wanted women to be here in greater numbers at an earlier age so that their seniority would start to acc

. and it is the guys in the beltway, john boehner, mitch mcconnell, the leaders reverses the guys outside the beltway. the guys in iowa, rick santorum, the folks in south carolina who gave the primary to newt gingrich. beyond that, i feel -- ever since george of the bush's second term, there has been an anti-establishment reaction within the republican party. they were embarrassed and angry with the bush administration. conservatism turned out to not be what they wanted. they wanted small government conservatism. i think everybody loves to many people into the tea party caldron. but you get the types that are determined to come here and do something against leadership. in ohio, he mentioned he likes the trappings of office, if you will. he mentioned to me, how much leadership can you exert? how much control can you exert over your own conference? given the freshmen. and he said to be, it is not the freshmen. he said it is some of the older members. he did not say who. i would have preferred if he did. that is those who are trying to have perfect scores on these ratings. they are the problem. because

to a generational thing. could either one of them make a deal stick within their caucuses? even if mcconnell and reid both tried to put something together, they have some exotic people on their side. you are absolutely right, and then toss in one more factor. you've got all the dysfunctional capitol hill, and then you have a president that basically has no relationship whatsoever with congress on either side. virtually no interaction with members of congress. wow. >> i don't agree with anything charlie just said. no, i agree with everything he just said. the key may be whether the president shows decisive leadership. i don't think decisive leadership necessarily is what he showed a lot of the time in the first term. not that he did not show any leadership. he did not get his hands really dirty. the public option fight we had, if you send it to may i will sign it. he let nancy pelosi take the lead on the public option, and on a lot of things. we knew what he preferred, but he did not twist arms. he just did not seem to get involved in the details. is he going to do that now? if he does that,

regrated. >> rose: do you think the republicans are open to that idea? john boehner and mitch mcconnell. >> i've got to believe after this election they have to be open to that they have responsibilities beyond being political leaders and mitch mcconnell defined much of the last four years by saying his number one goal was to defeat barack obama. okay, that didn't work and now barack obama isn't going to run again so maybe hll co up with another priority like let's get some things done. and i think if he does take that position -- but it will take enormous compromises also by democrats to get things done because this is a big hole we've dug ourselves in. >> rose: do you think -- will the president be different these four years because of, a, things he learned in the first four and b, he does not have to run for reelection again? >> i think not having to run for reelection does give a certain freedom. no question about it. on the other hand, we all do live within the confines of reality and he is in a very political town with a majority of the house republicans-- which was what he had th

[inaudible] i wonder what you heard or have you heard anything from senator mcconnell on what his role will be. >> i hope he and speaker baners, in most things they work together, and i guess on fiscal reform, senator -- speaker boehner has taken the lead. but my view is if that -- again, if we hear some voices from the mainstream republicans in the country, particularly business, it would make it a lot easier for senator mcconnell to come to an agreement -- come to part of that agreement. >> sam. >> a broad question on how you see the democratic party entering this phase of governance. >> i'll answer the second question first. i think democrats, we've -- you know, why for instance -- i think we've gotten much better at focusing both our policies and our message on middle class folks. i think we understand the dilemma that the middle -- the middle class -- just take a step back. you know, the american dream is so much part of us. you know, i like to say that beautiful lady in the harbor in the city in which i live holds a torch. that's the american dream of every american and to most p

mitch mcconnell and some of the more adult members of the republicans in the senate can put pressure on the house. if they can't change those fundamental dynamics, we're heading in the same direction. >> i think mitch mcconnell is a problem because he's up for re-election and he's worried about getting a challenge from the tea party right. mr. boehner said this is your moment, mr. president, now lead. that's an acknowledgment of reality and a bit of a trying to pass the buck, but it's the truth. it is going to be up to the president to go into those negotiations and to lead and to continue to listen and find areas where compromise can be built. >> but he has to lead -- >> let me help you out. >> he has to lead publicly as well because the election -- >> sell. >> he has to sell it. there aren't a lot of republicans i think at play from -- in regards to public pressure, but there are a few, and the president is going to have to work hard to find points of pressure on those people -- >> let's try -- >> they have to be willing to absorb some blows. >> remember how he ran against hillary

chairman, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, and other republican leaders behind the epic election failure of 2012 should be replaced with leaders more in tune with the conservative base of the republican party. likewise, established republican consultants establishedkarl rove, romney campaign senior advisers, and pollsters should never be hired to run or consult on a national campaign again. nobody would give a dime to the ineffective super pacs like american crossroads. the loss was the death rattle of the establishment republican party. the disaster of 2012 signals the beginning of the battle to take over the republican party and the opportunity to establish the gop as the party of small government, constitutional conservative. host: do you agree with that assessment? guest: not at all. k i do karl rove, the pollster for the romney campaign, and all the others he listed, the republican national chairman -- they are not the problem. the truth is, while i think the tea party is a great addition to the party, the candidates who were truly identified as tea party candidates in 2010 and 2012

not have as much mcconnell responded? -- how do republicans respond? how does a mitch mcconnell respond? then what happens in the house? there are two questions and with john boehner. is he willing to go in and legislate, especially if he gets a major concessions from the president? in my gut, the answer is yes. can he bring his caucus along? yes, a few of the leading to party leaders were defeated -- tea party members were defeated, but they are still as conservative as they were before last night. we have some issues that could really divide us, like immigration with the president will be moving ahead quickly. the 10 to one of the old days said they would not accept, it may not be 10 to one come and maybe four to one or five to one, but they will get 80% of what they want. can they say yes to only 80%? the final one is the supreme court. what happens if ensign and scalia retires? forget -- antonin scalia retires? forget ginsberg. what happens if obama will appoint the first asian-american to the court? i cannot give you the answers. we will see a lot of bloodletting. goingave no idea

together and start hacking away and finally you had to pull the damn thing out? think of mitch mcconnell as that tree stump. there he is in the way of you cutting the lawn. he shouldn't be there. he's not growing. he's not getting any better. today mitch mcconnell did not signal a big surprise he was ready to compromise. the tree stump ain't moving. let's listen. >> the time for the president to lead is now, and that means offering a concrete plan that takes into account the fact that half the congress opposes tax hikes. not because we're selfish, not because we're stubborn, but we know it is the wrong thing to do. we know it will hurt the economy, and we know it will destroy jobs. >> you know, the nonsense behind that, guys, is that if you go by who we elect to congress deciding our national policy, then by that standard heidi heitkamp winning in north dakota means north dakota is a liberal state, and tester winning in montana means that's a democratic state or that mccaskill winning missouri -- no, that's not how we vote. we vote national ideally for the president and we have an electo

! next. >> leader pelosi -- >> i guess -- >> whoa! >> you always ask that question except to mitch mcconnell. >> oh, mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader is 70 years old. nancy pelosi is 72. in the world of politics, age is kind of a skewed concept. average age of members of the house is 56. and of senators it's 62. i mean, paul ryan is thought of as a young gun. he's 42. that's eight years shy of being a card-carrying member of the aarp. ronald reagan was 69 when he first ran for president. many worried he was too old for the job until his famous quip during a debate. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> yes, reagan used age to his advantage. but seriously, how old is too old? remember senator strom thurman who commuted from walter reed to the capitol at the age of 100? his aides had to vote for him. of course, this argument isn't limited to the world of politics. ageism rages in the role world, too. how often have you heard those under 30 grumbling about those old guys sucking up

. senator mcconnell has to be engaged. harry reid has to be engaged. maybe it is the fiscal cliff, but we have to act on a lot of serious things and we have to do some of it now and we have to do a lot of it next year. if they do the right thing, that our country will benefit and the legacy will be secure. >> i want to open this up for just a minute. there are a lot of people engaged in this effort -- i would like to hear from some of them. before i do that to my would like to ask you a question about the election results. very close election, striking demographic divides that it reveals about the country. the republican voters look a lot like us. look around this room, it was middle-aged white males. the democratic voters, among asians and among young people and unmarried women. what do you say about the country? is a good thing? he says we have to do a better job. >> we have to reach out more and especially young women. we need to reach out and the hispanic and asian community. >> my buddy, the former governor of mississippi says we had a crack at the candidates. one of the most interes

. >> eric: another quick point. when you have john boehner and mitch mcconnell and mitt romney talking about immigration, immigration reform, it doesn't hold the water, the credibility when marco rubio or ted cruz or martinez does it, who has a better background and basis for making comments on it. that is why it -- >> bob: it's a question of policy. are they going to change policy? >> eric: they are the ones to do it. if you're romney with immigration reform. >> dana: in 1986, they passed the bill, the immigration bill because of the amnesty bill in 1986, republicans are the ones that passed that. ronald reagan signed it. republicans lost seats in 1988. i don't know if that is the right rabbit to chase. >> bob: they increased percentage among hispanics. >> andrea: i still say no, matter what, amnesty, free healthcare, student loans. give, give, give. g.o.p., no quick fix and it doesn't see a harvard professor to see where it's going. coming up, the main stream media may not be totally to blame for the republican losses this week but they weren't fair and balanceed in the reporting. what sho

. but no such evolution on the issue of o taxes. both boehner and mitch mcconnell said taxes will not go up, period. >> think you're missing the second part of the sentence which is they're willing to consider new revenue. there are lots of ways, excuse the expression, to skin a cat. i thought john boehner was emphatic when he said they're willing to open it with the right framework. thing this is a two-step deal. i think it's too ambitious with too little time to get to the grand bargaining, the so-called lame duck session of the continuation. but i think you can scrape together enough to avoid sigh kwenltd strain. remember, they have to come up with only about $100 bill to set that aside. between spending cuts and loophol loopholes, i think you have to raise that. >> onpodesta, does the magts work, though, which is if you close produkz for the wealthy people, can you raise enough revenue? >> i think that's the fund mental question. >> well, i thnk the -- you know, this baurng the really contentious issue in the campaign. i think the only way do that is to take enough of a bite out of the plan. >>

boehner. cut it loose so they can go christmas shopping, senator mcconnell. it's what the people voted for. that's why they voted for me. that's the president talking. we are joined now by nbc's chief white house correspondent chuck todd. thanks for joining us tonight. this was a hot pressure cooker press conference and you were in the middle. let's talk about the president's tactic. it looks like he's got one. here he is sticking out his message of defending the middle class today, sticking to it. he practically dared the republicans to hold tax cuts for the middle class hostage. he went back to that word hostage. let's take a look. >> the other option is to pass a law right now that would prevent any tax hike whatsoever on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. i hope republicans in the house come on board, too. we should not hold the middle class hostage while we debate tax cuts for the wealthy. the most important step we can take right now, i think the foundation for a deal that helps the economy, creates jobs, gives consumersty, which means gives consumers confidence they'll have c

in day mcconnell said it's the president's turn to have a detailed plan to include entitlement reform and could win support of both parties to have a chance of becoming law. >> wholesale prices dipped for their first decline since may. wall street did not take the news well. dow lost 185. s&p 500 dropped 19. nasdaq fell 37. many european say they reached the breaking point with evidents to deal with the continent's economic woes. senior foreign affairs correspondent ammy kellogg reports from london. much of the frustration took to the streets today. >> it was europe's first pan continental day of action with strikers saying enough is enough. arguing that the austerity cuts are crippling and not helping. >> it's just a terrible situation. only cuts, cuts, cuts. >> tear gas rained down, so did a bar ran of discouraging numbers. factory fell to steepest days in years and even in the powerhouse country of germany. greece's economic output shrunk by 7.2% in third quarter though terrorism was up. youth unemployment is at 58%. bank of england scaled down the projection of growth in the u.k.

of the spectrum. as we know, the director of national intelligence, mike mcconnell, famously said, we would lose a cyberwar if it took place. i think the canadians would win but i'm not so sure about the americans. this thing is like an obvious question. is cyberwar and terrorism bad? well, and we have mr. carney in the audience? do any of you agree with mr. carney that there is no substantive basis for the cybersecurity threat lacks no takers? that's too bad. i was hoping that somebody they gone for today. mr. carney and apparently hadn't talked to the president. the president said that cybersecurity is one of our most serious national security threats. it's not a theoretical. it has already been levied against certain cities to block them out. it has already been used, as my co-panelist mentioned, as a prelude, the shock troops before the russians invaded estonia and georgia. this is a bipartisan issue. you have senator lieberman saying its cyberwar and the cyberthreat is a clear and present danger. the same with senator collins. senator barbara, you can go down the list. they will all tell yo

in the "washington post" tomorrow, he says america deserves better. it begins with him. mcconnell has to be engaged. harry reid has to be engaged. we are at a profit this year. maybe it is the fiscal cliff. but we have to act on a lot of really serious things and we had some of it now. we have to do a lot of it next year. if they do the right thing, that our country will benefit the legacy will be secure. so i want to open this up. a lot of people in this room are engaged in this effort, frankly in a more activist way and ceos have been engaged in anything like this in a long time. i would like to hear from some of them. before i do that, i would like to ask you a question about the election results. a very close election, but striking demographics divide what it reveals about the country. republican voters look a lot like us. mittal alias in overwhelming majorities among latinos and asians and among african-americans. among young people, among unmarried women. what does that mean? what does that say about the country? is a good thing? is it something we should be worried about? enacted so that we

with john boehner, the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. is he planning on sitting down with those two republican leaders any time soon? is the white house saying? >> reporter: there's nothing announced for a leaders meeting so far. but i am certain, wolf, that that will be coming because there's such important negotiations ahead. i'm told that the president's conversation with speaker boehner was courteous, it was brief. and i'm told that they also discussed the importance of keeping their public statements vague or general enough so that they leave themselves enough private negotiating room to get a deal done to avoid the fiscal cliff, wolf. >> that's probably smart too. thanks very much for that, jessica. let's dig a little bit deeper right now with our chief political analyst gloria borger. isn't his responsibility right now though to take the first step, offer a proposal to boehner, to mcconnell, to the republicans? we assume that the democrats, nancy pelosi would go along and harry reid would go along with the president. >> well, i think as jessica's saying, the president bel

of posturing. but it certainly was a much different tone, for instance, than what came out of mitch mcconnell's office office the election, and we've plowed through that plenty. i think what you're going to see now is the white house wants to attack a little bit of time, be thoughtful how public -- what they say publicly versus how much maneuverer ability is there. the other unnamed player is chuck shumer. chuck schumer publicly said i like simpson bowls in the it made an effort but i don't like what they're trying to do with taxes. we can't do this with tax reform. taxes should go up. he wants to move the negotiating position on the democrats in a little bit of a different direction. so what president obama has to navigate is that politics a lit bit in the senate. senate democrats more emboldened. they netted some seats. they didn't just hold their majority. they got a stronger majority. >> right. >> so i think before he goes out too publicly he's got make sure -- the white house has to make sure they're on the same page as harry reid and vice versus, i think that's why there's a little bit

of taxes. both boehner and mitch mcconnell said taxes will simply not go up, period. >> bu i think you're missing the second part of the sentence which is they're willing to consider new revenue. there are lots of ways, in that old expression, to skin a cat. i thought john boehner the other day was quite emphatic in saying we are open to new revenues under the right framework. dave gergen is absolutely correct. i think this is a two-step deal. i think it's too ambitious with too little time to get to the grand bargain in the so-called lame duck session of the congress. but i think you can scrape together enough to avoid sequestration and avoid the fiscal cliff or fiscal slope. remember, they have to come up with only about $100 billion. i know that sounds weird. but $100 billion to set that aside. between spending cuts and perhaps some loophole closures i think they can raise it. but you can't confuse that with a long-term deal. >> john podesta, does the math work, though, which is if you close deductions for the wealthy people can you raise enough revenue? i think that's the fundament

speaker boehner and senator mcconnell and others on the republican side is this whole disingenuous problem that you can solve the problem by closing loopholes. most of those don't touch the wealthiest americans. unless you're willing to deal with rates, capital gains, dividends and the highest marginal rate, you don't really touch the very wealthiest americans by dealing with home mortgage deductions, certainly the eitc or the child tax credit. those are where the biggest sources of tax expenditures are. i think it is going to be a tough sell. although, on the other hand, i do believe there are a lot of republicans who understand that this no taxes, the grover norquist pledge, issing this that is preventing real progress from being made. people like scott riggle from virginia who's pluckily renounced the pledge, i think there's a possibility we're going to see yield with a number of members. and if up to 70 republicans say we want a deal on this topic, they'll get plenty of help from our side. >> there's been talk about nancy pelosi and the speculation that she's going to step down as mino

leader mitch mcconnell all talking about the facecle life, what they were going to do, not going to do, what they wanted to negotiate, not negotiate, but on friday, as news exploded out from the cia thanks to our own andrea mitchell that the president accepted the resignation of the cia director, general david petraeus, all of that -- you have to add that plus all the things you talked about, fiscal cliff, to what the president has to deal with. as you said, no honeymoon, indeed. >> and added to what jonathan just said, julian, there are some concerns over this that this is just the tip of the iceberg. i want to play you something senator feinstein said to andrea mitchell this afternoon. >> this thing came so fast and hard. since then it's been like peeling an onion. every day another peel comes off and you see a whole new dimension to this. so my concern has actually escalated over the last few days. >> it's clear she's suggesting this is going well beyond the realm of a personal matter. how far could we really see this go because it's not being quarter ren teened to the personal. it'

've heard or if you've heard anything from senator mcconnell and what you think his role in this is going to be and -- [inaudible] >> well, i would hope that he and speaker boehner, in most things they work together, and i guess on fiscal reform senator -- speaker boehner has taken the lead. but my view is if, that again, if we'd hear some voices from the mainstream republicans in the country, particularly business, it would make it a lot easier for senator mcconnell to come to an agreement, come to part of that agreement. >> sam? >> well, i was going to -- [inaudible] >> go ahead. >> so what's going to happen and then a broad question on how you see the democratic party entering this phase of government versus two years ago or even some of 2011 when the -- [inaudible] >> okay. yep, i'll answer the second question first. i think democrats, we've, you know, why, for instance -- i think we've gotten much better at focusing both our policies and our message on middle class folks. i think we understand the dilemma that the middle -- the middle class, just take a step back. you know, the ameri

assess what's going to happen with republicans like speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell? how does the president persuade them to lay down their pledges to grover norquist and commit to the nation? >> well, ultimately the president is not going to persuade them. ultimately the voters have to persuade them. i think john boehner and a few others in the republican party have got to tell eric cantor and paul ryan and michele bachmann and a lot of the tea partiers in that party, if you continue to insist that taxes are not going to be increased on the rich, we are not going to ever gain or regain control of the senate. we're going to lose control of the house in 2014, 2016. we're going to become a permanent minority party because it makes no sense to most americans. >> hit them where it hurts. professor robert reich, thank you. >>> next, how far will the president go in the showdown against john mccain. >>> but first, hampton pearson has the cnbc market wrap. good afternoon. >> good afternoon. we saw stocks move lower again on more wall street fears of going over the fiscal cliff. the d

out one-on-one, biden to mcconnell. two people who know each other, trust each other come a couple of grown-ups got it done and i don't see this lame-duck been too much different. >> there's another member of the administration his been through all these awards. 1990 and in the clinton administration and that's leon panetta who is now on defense, but really understands the budget deeply in all parts. so could be another one to really help. >> and another member of congress. but some of the problems the obama administrations have. to use a term not in the derogatory sense because it came to me from the democrat. he said the president was a drive-by senator. he was in a real sender coming as a drive by by senator. came long after pic pick up his paycheck and then became president. tonight it was in the house long enough to understand. biden for 36 years and they did not have a congressional relation to have the kind of institutional memory. now they be forced to get some institutional memory by all of the scar tissue they've acquired over the last little while. >> great. i like to go

of them make a deal stick? even if mcconnell and reid both tried to put something together, they have some exotic people on their side. you are absolutely right, and then toss in one more factor. you've got all the dysfunctional capitol hill, and then you have a president that basically has no relationship whatsoever with congress on either side. virtually no interaction with members of congress. wow. >> i don't agree with anything charlie just said. no, i agree with everything he just said. the key mayb be whether the president shows decisive leadership. i don't think decisive leadership necessarily is what he showed a lot of the time in the first term. not that he did not show any leadership. he did not get his hands really dirty. the public option fight we had, if you send it to may i will sign it. he let nancy pelosi take the lead on the public option, and on a lot of things. we knew what he preferred, but he did not twist arms. he just did not seem to get involved in the details. is he going to do that now? if he does that, is he going to just -- well, i got a second term, we pick up

. what you're hearing from boehner and mcconnell in washington speak is we don't want a deal, we don't want to go off the cliff and the only thing left is to punt. and i think that's a dangerous place as well because this is the issue one of the few times congress might be forced to actually do its job and get a budget passed for the american people. so when this question comes up about the bigger issue are we going to get a deal or not, what i'm hearing from boehner is no and the president yes. >> but the president's leverage doesn't go away if you punt for six months. i mean, it's not clear to me -- i agree with you that's one way to read the boehner/mcconnell position. >> you do the blue ribbon panel, try to make it binding, do the supercommittee -- >> need to know because after all at the end of january most americans will like to start filing for their refunds. that's why we have to do something. and the other thing we failed to mention over and over about these so-called bush tax cuts is that they have helped increase the deficit over the last ten years. we simply cannot afford

. from what i hear from mitch mcconnell, i do not like. i am a kentucky citizen. it is about time for him to retire. i think mr. john boehner wants to work out a deal. i really do. he has to get through. kantor and some of the others on the extreme right. -- eric cantor and some of those on the right. i do not like the extremism. it is not helpful to the country at all. host: thank you for the call. we read this at the top of the program. on our twitter page, there is this -- nancy cook puts it this way. "game of chicken." her answer, probably not. george is on the phone from the line for republicans. caller: i just think when the voters spoke on the past election that we as citizens are being shortchanged. we vote our -- our constituents voted for representatives, but we are not being represented. in the last 30 days of the campaign, i decided to be an independent. i was not convinced everybody was being fairly treated with the tax cuts. therefore, i believe speaker john boehner, rip cantor, reid, and the president to sit down and realize we elected them to look out for our best interest

post" tomorrow. he said, america deserves better. it does. it begins with him. but we also -- mcconnell has to be engaged. reid has to be engaged. we are at a press pus here. maybe it's -- prepice here. we need to do some of it now and we got to do a lot of it next year. if they do the right thing, then our country will benefit and their legacy will be secure. but forget that. >> so i want to open this up in just a minute because there are a lot of people in this room who are engaged in this effort, frankly, in a more activist way in the way c.e.o.'s have been engaged in anything like this in a long time. i want to ask you one thing about the election results. very close election. but striking the demographic divides that it revealed about the country. the republican voters frankly looked a lot like us. look around this room. it was middle age white males. the democratic voters, you know, overwhelming majority among latinos, among asians, among -- among african-americans. among young people. among unmarried women. what does that mean? what does that say about the country? is it a good t

to happen with the republican party. [video clip] >> the republican national chairman, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, and other republican leaders behind the epic election failure of 2012 should be replaced with leaders more in tune with the conservative base of the republican party. likewise, established republican consultants establishedkarl rove, romney campaign senior advisers, and pollsters should never be hired to run or consult on a national campaign again. nobody would give a dime to the ineffective super pacs like american crossroads. the loss was the death rattle of the establishment republican party. the disaster of 2012 signals the beginning of the battle to take over the republican party and the opportunity to establish the gop as the party of small government, constitutional conservative. host: do you agree with that assessment? guest: not at all. k i do karl rove, the pollster for the romney campaign, and all the others he listed, the republican national chairman -- they are not the problem. the truth is, while i think the tea party is a great addition to the party, the candid

is over. time to get to work. sit down with paul ryan, of eric cantor, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, a strategy to lay out our principled arguments of how far we will go and how far we will not go. what we intend to put on the table with specificity -- do it. get ahead. but the president in a position where he has to respond, not just push aside. that, for me, in the next few weeks will be very important. i like the tone. it's great. we're going to work together. we get that, by all moment -- kumbaya moment. how are we going to frame the argument and the policy itself? mr. president, this is what the american people want and need in order to fully recover. we're willing to go to the water's edge with you, we will not go out into the lake and brown. [video clip] >> tonight is a tremendous benefit to republican women, tea party women. for all of you, this is your victory. let me say this. if president obama means what he says on the campaign trail, if he is interested in working order to bring the people together to reduce the deficit and get people working, i will work with him. but

mcconnell of kentucky and other party leaders will include john cornyn of texas and he will succeed john kafeel as the minority whip and they've also announced today the national republican senatorial committee will be headed by rob portman and the culture will be the senator looked from texas, ted cruz from capitol hill. treasury secretary to m. geithner spoke yesterday about the fiscal cliff and the financial situation. he was part of the annual wall street journal ceo conference in the nation's conference. his comments are about a half-hour. >> the people in this room we told them before you got here and buy through the beat code 2-1 they do not expect a deal before we hit the cliff. no more information although there is a bit of a highlight of the dominican republic which we haven't figured out. [laughter] i think there is a lot of anxiety in this room about the fiscal clef. do you think that we are going to go over the cliff or are you confident your site can get a deal with the other side before we get there? >> we will have to see that there is every reason to believe that this is

. >> i guess -- oh, you've always asked that question except to mitch mcconnell. >> he missed the question. joan what happened there was luke russert got to ask a question during speaker -- former speaker pelosi's press conference yesterday with all of the democratic-elected officials on stage. and he asked about her age and about the fact that she's hanging on to the leadership position and isn't that depriving someone younger of getting it. and former speaker pelosi astutely pointed out that he would never ask that question of mitch mcconnell and then she said this. >> let's, for a moment, honor it as a legitimate question. although it is quite offensive but you don't realize that, i guess. the fact is -- the fact is that everything that i have done in my almost -- i guess decade now of leadership is to elect younger and newer people to the congress. >> john: that's a smackdown luke russert. i mean that's just -- come on. you don't! when have you ever heard someone bring up age -- even john mccain. no one e

programs like medicare and medicaid. >> speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell said they have to have that on the able. >> they will be meeting next week. >> human rights groups have objected to the president's upcoming trips saying that the democratic reforms taking place in burma haven't gone far enough and or also that the ones in cambodia may be backsliding. how do you avoid the perception that the president has put a samp of approval on these governments. >> well in burma the president will use that visit to press for improvements in the relationship between the united states and burma. there has been extraordinary progress made since last year but much more work needs to be done to advance democratic change. supporting democracy and human right social security a fundamental principle behind the president's policy in the region and the world and he will carry that message on this trip >> [indiscernible] . >> i think this is historic and important but it will be clear his message will be to recognize the progress that's been made but there is more work that needs to be done. >> yo

elected democratic members of the congress. harry lee and mitch mcconnell talked about the upcoming negotiations on the fiscal cliff. and whether congress can avoid it in the lame duck session. this fall, a single men indicted outbreak was traced to contaminated steroid injections produced in massachusetts. tomorrow, the house committee looks into the outbreak. live starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span3 and c-span3 biya. -- c-span radio. >> wevery weekend, the latest on fiction authors and books. you can see pass programs and get our schedules on our website. you can join in on the conversation on social media sites. >> economists discussed the so- called fiscal cliff and upcoming negotiations between congress and the white house, tax hikes and spending cuts. this is held by the economist for peace and security and the new america foundation. it is 90 minutes. >> good morning. i and the chair of economists for peace and security. i'd like to welcome you to this symposium. -- who's afraid of the fiscal cliff?' the eps is an organization of professional economists concerned with q

. the president said that -- i guess he was going to walk mitch mcconnell's dog or wash john boehner's car in terms of going to capitol hill during the election, in terms of getting it done. the president, legislative leaders, and the american people, the voters are trying to figure this out. how do we compromise? can compromise be tempered by conscience? should first principles be given up for second chances? where do we go? do we say okay, tax the rich but don't put in political supreme court justices? do we say okay, yeah, we're going to do global warming, but at the same time we're not going to do the deficit the way the president wants to have it done? do people walk away from what they believe in the hope of bringing this country together? i think in the end not. i think what people have to walk away from is pride and ego and i'm referring to those same political leaders that you referred to at the beginning of the segment. if they walk away from their pride, they walk away from their ego and say, i'm going to think about gretchen carlson, and think about people in indiana. i'm going

with members of congress. we saw him already reach out by phone to john boehner, to mitch mcconnell, also to leadership in the democratic party. so we'll see if this promise of bipartisanship will last beyond just a couple of days. >> dan lothian for us this morning. thank you, dan. let's get right to john berman with a lack at some of the other stories making news today. good morning. >> good morning, soledad. cnn is projecting that ann kirkpatrick will return to congress. she barely beat republican challenger, jonathan payton. yet several house races are still up for grabs across the country this morning. in palm springs, california, republican mary bono mack, she's not giving up. she trailed democrat raul luis with all precincts reporting, but she says a large number of ballots have yet to be reported. mack's husband, connie mack, lost his bid in florida to bill nelson. in another tight race, alan west is not conceding defeat. he's demanding a partial recount in his re-election bid against democratic challenger patrick murphy. right now murphy has a very slim lead of less than 2,100 vo

, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. martha: virginia governor bob mcdonnell reacting to the election loss saying the republican party must find a way to better solve their core political message and the delivery. here it is. >> the outrage to newer, voters, minority voters, bret, we got pretty well clobbered across the board. i believe our conservative ideas are better for all those groups, all those people. we have to be more effective. i think our message is better. when young people looking crushing national debt, not being able to get a job when they get out of college i think our message resonates we have to be more effective getting to them early. martha: governor mcdonnell adds he is disappointed by romney's loss in his state, eight out of the 11 congressional seats for the republican team were won in the state of virginia. bill: here we go on a fox news alert. weekly jobless claims. it is thursday morning. number of americans seeking unemployment benefits dropped 8,000. 355 is the number. 355,000 filing for first time unemployment claims. labor department warns the figures we

themselves. frankly, i don't know if the republicans themselves, if john boehner and mitch mcconnell, know how much wiggle roop they have at this point. they're still serving their caucuses and trying to figure out where everybody is. that more than anything is going to determine what kind of deal gets made. the democrats are presenting a very united front. they seem very confident. people on the left are very encouraged by the strong statement that the president made on friday. >> you also wrote here in your most recent column that at least at this point it looks like we know which president obama is going to show up for these negotiations. it is not going to be the compromiser in chief. >> right, the sort of tremendously weak negotiator he proved to be on the debt ceiling a year ago is the one democrats were fearful was going to show up again. at least so far you had him pointing to his leverage on friday. that's encouraging for democrats. >> amy, what are the chances that the speaker is going to be able to get some of his folks to fall in line? >> well, it's going to be a very tough tas

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